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I can't believe they want to try to deny American-born children of Illegal Immigrants Citizenship.
It's the 14th amendment of the United States Constitution! You born in the US, you’re a citizen of the US.
If they did this, would it extend to people already living and grown up in the US regardless of their parents being legal or illegal? Because that would totally f over, like, every 2nd gen kid in AZ wouldn’t it?
I am 2nd generation, my parents immigrated from China/Taiwan- my father came first with a work/school visa then worked damn hard to get his Citizenship, and used that to help my mom get hers, then I was born in the US. If that law passes, does that mean all 2nd gen. Children of illegals basically revert to “illegal” status and become stranded? Even so, what of those who are children of illegal immigrants but have grown up in America and are say over 18 already? What does all that hard work and being in America for?
Granted, born-citizenship is rare in the world, as other countries require at least 1 parent to show they’re legal – that maybe I can understand- but what about mothers who come on student/work visas, have a kid, but then have trouble getting their citizenship after their visas expired? Just pack em up and ship em home? Seems rather cruel since the mother is hardworking and stuff...
I don't know but I would slightly support the idea of an amendment to ask for at least one of the parents to have legal-status, like other countries do, but that doesn't really solve the problem on the illegal immigrant coming to the US in the first place. Furthermore, to traumatize small children who ARE growing up and who ARE learning to be American and succeeding by suddenly kicking them out? It's rather cruel!
In US vs Wong Kim Ark Supreme court already ruled that if you’re born in the US you’re US-citizen (granted you have to be working/hold business but as long as you are loyal to the US you cannot be denied your rights) even though Ark was born to illegal immigrants, his parents returned to China, but he himself worked hard, grew up, and was BORN in the US.
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So if they are going to do this "ban" they'd better come up with some decent provisions for those already in the US for many years who HAVE worked hard and who HAVE basically shown that they are loyal to the US, hardworking and deserve to be in the US. It's one thing to stop people from coming in, but it's another to help those trapped.
Is it just me or are they using the face/premise of "illegal-immigrant" to just say they don't want/trust Hispanics in general? They say "illegal immigrant" but they discriminate against that particular group when in reality, "illegal immigrant" covers WAY more than illegal immigrants sneaking across borders! There are European and Asian immigrants whose Visas expire and they become "illegal" status yet all this money and political stuff is directed towards solely helping/against those who are crossing the US/Mexico border illegally and those who ORIGINALLY came LEGALLY and are left in the US basically stranded because of their visas expiring are left in the dust. Not to mention there’s a bigger problem of illegal migrant workers- those promised the dream of coming to America but then tricked and sold into practical slave labor, like in textile factories or prostitution.
Furthermore, it's terrible what's happening that if you're Hispanic and in Arizona you can't really help but feel like people stare at you and automatically assume "illegal immigrant" (this feeling seems to be in all the states if you think about it)- we had the same problem with our post 9/11 country in which one look at an Arab-american and people automatically assumed "terrorist" or if you look at an African American and assume "gang member" or Asian and say "foreigner". It just seems like if you’re not white you cannot be trusted/easily targets to make assumptions... Do we even HAVE stereotypes for white people!? The only ones I can think of are like “Valley girl” and “surfer dude”... those aren’t even very negative in a sense...
Now that I think about it, it’s the media glorifying negative actions by minorities that create these general “discriminations” we hold against each other. One philosophy is to not cause trouble despite all the crap being thrown at you because you want to maintain a positive image for your own group- If you yourself do one bad thing and it becomes widespread, then you’ve created something for people to say like, “oh she did that so all people like her must be like that” when you know that’s not the case- everyone is an individual and you don’t know them personally so why make negative assumptions right at the bat?
It's like pre 1960's all over again!
Examples: [link]
In the 1880's, San Francisco, they didn't like that fact that there were all these Chinese doing honest business as laundrymen so they created a law to say everyone with a Laundry business in a wooden building needed a permit- well the problem was that about 95% of the city's 320 laundries were operated in wooden buildings and two-thirds of those laundries were owned by Chinese persons. So while the Chinese did go in to get those permits, the Board itself was able to deny them the permit (basically based upon race), and they did. So while on the face of the law it seemed "honest" underneath it was discrimination.
I’m no lawyer but there’s probably dozens, if not hundreds of cases like this in our past- and why isn’t AZ learning about these and seeing what they’re doing is wrong- allebeit they’re trying to solve a problem. But do it in the wrong way.
I guess i’m kinda all RAGE at this since AZ is a state-next-door to California but it just seems like they’re trying to pull the same shit on the Mexican immigrants like they did to the Chinese in 1880’s and its makes me rage cuz ITS MY PEOPLE DAMMIT. I THOUGHT we learned from this!
The US even went so far as to make an Act that SPECIFICALLY SAID like “NO CHINESE ALLOWED”. It was called the Chinese Exclusion Act [link]
So what AZ, you gonna make an act called the “Mexican Exclusion Act” now and take a step backwards?
Why don't you make "the Great Wall of Arizona" see how that works. (you'd probably use illegal immigrant labor w/o knowing about it anyways)
I can't believe they want to try to deny American-born children of Illegal Immigrants Citizenship.
It's the 14th amendment of the United States Constitution! You born in the US, you’re a citizen of the US.
If they did this, would it extend to people already living and grown up in the US regardless of their parents being legal or illegal? Because that would totally f over, like, every 2nd gen kid in AZ wouldn’t it?
I am 2nd generation, my parents immigrated from China/Taiwan- my father came first with a work/school visa then worked damn hard to get his Citizenship, and used that to help my mom get hers, then I was born in the US. If that law passes, does that mean all 2nd gen. Children of illegals basically revert to “illegal” status and become stranded? Even so, what of those who are children of illegal immigrants but have grown up in America and are say over 18 already? What does all that hard work and being in America for?
Granted, born-citizenship is rare in the world, as other countries require at least 1 parent to show they’re legal – that maybe I can understand- but what about mothers who come on student/work visas, have a kid, but then have trouble getting their citizenship after their visas expired? Just pack em up and ship em home? Seems rather cruel since the mother is hardworking and stuff...
I don't know but I would slightly support the idea of an amendment to ask for at least one of the parents to have legal-status, like other countries do, but that doesn't really solve the problem on the illegal immigrant coming to the US in the first place. Furthermore, to traumatize small children who ARE growing up and who ARE learning to be American and succeeding by suddenly kicking them out? It's rather cruel!
In US vs Wong Kim Ark Supreme court already ruled that if you’re born in the US you’re US-citizen (granted you have to be working/hold business but as long as you are loyal to the US you cannot be denied your rights) even though Ark was born to illegal immigrants, his parents returned to China, but he himself worked hard, grew up, and was BORN in the US.
[link]
So if they are going to do this "ban" they'd better come up with some decent provisions for those already in the US for many years who HAVE worked hard and who HAVE basically shown that they are loyal to the US, hardworking and deserve to be in the US. It's one thing to stop people from coming in, but it's another to help those trapped.
Is it just me or are they using the face/premise of "illegal-immigrant" to just say they don't want/trust Hispanics in general? They say "illegal immigrant" but they discriminate against that particular group when in reality, "illegal immigrant" covers WAY more than illegal immigrants sneaking across borders! There are European and Asian immigrants whose Visas expire and they become "illegal" status yet all this money and political stuff is directed towards solely helping/against those who are crossing the US/Mexico border illegally and those who ORIGINALLY came LEGALLY and are left in the US basically stranded because of their visas expiring are left in the dust. Not to mention there’s a bigger problem of illegal migrant workers- those promised the dream of coming to America but then tricked and sold into practical slave labor, like in textile factories or prostitution.
Furthermore, it's terrible what's happening that if you're Hispanic and in Arizona you can't really help but feel like people stare at you and automatically assume "illegal immigrant" (this feeling seems to be in all the states if you think about it)- we had the same problem with our post 9/11 country in which one look at an Arab-american and people automatically assumed "terrorist" or if you look at an African American and assume "gang member" or Asian and say "foreigner". It just seems like if you’re not white you cannot be trusted/easily targets to make assumptions... Do we even HAVE stereotypes for white people!? The only ones I can think of are like “Valley girl” and “surfer dude”... those aren’t even very negative in a sense...
Now that I think about it, it’s the media glorifying negative actions by minorities that create these general “discriminations” we hold against each other. One philosophy is to not cause trouble despite all the crap being thrown at you because you want to maintain a positive image for your own group- If you yourself do one bad thing and it becomes widespread, then you’ve created something for people to say like, “oh she did that so all people like her must be like that” when you know that’s not the case- everyone is an individual and you don’t know them personally so why make negative assumptions right at the bat?
It's like pre 1960's all over again!
Examples: [link]
In the 1880's, San Francisco, they didn't like that fact that there were all these Chinese doing honest business as laundrymen so they created a law to say everyone with a Laundry business in a wooden building needed a permit- well the problem was that about 95% of the city's 320 laundries were operated in wooden buildings and two-thirds of those laundries were owned by Chinese persons. So while the Chinese did go in to get those permits, the Board itself was able to deny them the permit (basically based upon race), and they did. So while on the face of the law it seemed "honest" underneath it was discrimination.
I’m no lawyer but there’s probably dozens, if not hundreds of cases like this in our past- and why isn’t AZ learning about these and seeing what they’re doing is wrong- allebeit they’re trying to solve a problem. But do it in the wrong way.
I guess i’m kinda all RAGE at this since AZ is a state-next-door to California but it just seems like they’re trying to pull the same shit on the Mexican immigrants like they did to the Chinese in 1880’s and its makes me rage cuz ITS MY PEOPLE DAMMIT. I THOUGHT we learned from this!
The US even went so far as to make an Act that SPECIFICALLY SAID like “NO CHINESE ALLOWED”. It was called the Chinese Exclusion Act [link]
So what AZ, you gonna make an act called the “Mexican Exclusion Act” now and take a step backwards?
Why don't you make "the Great Wall of Arizona" see how that works. (you'd probably use illegal immigrant labor w/o knowing about it anyways)
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